Steering Rack

Steering Rack

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Barry S1

Original Poster:

1,709 posts

189 months

Sunday 11th August 2013
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Anyone got one for a S1 they
don't need , or know where I
can get one please,
Barry

glenrobbo

35,277 posts

150 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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Hi Barry,
Rain stopped play & seeing as nobody has replied yet, I've been trawling through Useful Links & FAQ's.

It seems that spare 'S' steering racks are rarer than S1 exhaust manifolds!
The info says that the main centre section is a modified Chevette item, the internal connector bushes are Lotus ( model not specified ), & the trackrods are Cortina Mk3. So a bit of a hybrid.
Reconditioning is probably the best solution, try any of these guys:

Kiley-Clinton Engineering Ltd. of Birmingham. ( www.steering-racks.co.uk )

Kelly Bray Steering ( www.kellybraysteering.co.uk ) Not sure where they're located, possibly S West.

BAR Propshafts ( www.barpropshafts.co.uk ) of S. Wales.

HTH smile

Will you still be able to get to breakfast OK ? yum


Edited by glenrobbo on Monday 12th August 12:48

phillpot

17,117 posts

183 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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How "bad" is it Barry? As Glen says, getting it re-conditioned is probably your best bet.


There was a guy over on the Classic TVR forum who had a NOS one for sale, may be sold by now (it was "big bucks") !

mep12345

2,061 posts

201 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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glenrobbo said:
The info says that the main centre section is a modified Chevette item, the internal connector bushes are Lotus ( model not specified),
Elan I believe (the old style)

glenrobbo said:
Kelly Bray Steering ( www.kellybraysteering.co.uk ) Not sure where they're located, possibly S West.
Funny old thing they are in Kelly Bray! (sorry Glen - couldn't resist sarcasm - the lowest form of whit I know wink) That is just into Cornwall between Callington and Saltash. It was these who rebuilt mine and gave me the info on the rack make up - note the Lotus bushes had to be made which they did on site


Edited by mep12345 on Monday 12th August 15:52

The Big G

991 posts

168 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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I had mine done by kiley-clinton. They did a good job for a good price.

I think it would have to be very far gone for it to be past saving.

Barry S1

Original Poster:

1,709 posts

189 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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Thanks
Its OK for a month or so but has a lot of play in it now,
so will give them a ring and get it sorted in the winter
with all the other jobs, should be ok for this weekend, mostly
motorway so nice and wide.

Barry

phillpot

17,117 posts

183 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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Try removing a shim from under this little cover.....



Just done it to mine and it's made a very noticeable difference wink

Oldred_V8S

3,715 posts

238 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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phillpot said:
Try removing a shim from under this little cover.....



Just done it to mine and it's made a very noticeable difference wink
I can confirm this worked on mine too.

Barry S1

Original Poster:

1,709 posts

189 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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I will give that a go,Wellesbourne breakfast Saturday
and Santerpod on Sunday and Knebworth bank holiday Monday,
so after that if I'm feeling brave I'll have a go and report
back ,can it be done with the rack still on the car ?

phillpot

17,117 posts

183 months

Monday 12th August 2013
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Barry S1 said:
can it be done with the rack still on the car ?
Yep, literally a 5 minute job, mine had two thick and one very thin shim. I've taken one of the thick ones out, maybe a little too much, I've lost a bit of "self centreing" on the steering now, will try just the thin one next.

Oldred_V8S

3,715 posts

238 months

Tuesday 13th August 2013
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phillpot said:
Barry S1 said:
can it be done with the rack still on the car ?
Yep, literally a 5 minute job, mine had two thick and one very thin shim. I've taken one of the thick ones out, maybe a little too much, I've lost a bit of "self centreing" on the steering now, will try just the thin one next.
I took two out and whilst the amount of play was greatly reduced it made the steering a bit heavier so I replaced one in the hotel car park on the Euro Tour. Like Mike says, a 5 minute job.

glenrobbo

35,277 posts

150 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Bumped for Smokey Boyer smile
Also check the Useful Links & FAQ's at the top of the S Series section.
HTH.

Smokey Boyer

509 posts

131 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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thanks - off to have a look now F1 qualifying has finished and the sun has come out


Smokey Boyer

509 posts

131 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Wow. what a transformation.

I removed the plate on the rack. On my car there is a sandwich of spacing shims. Very thin plastic ones on the outside, and 4 metal ones in-between.





Under the plate there is also small coil spring that sits in a white plastic cup.



I removed and cleaned the cup, and added a bit of clear grease to all the components as I re-assembled it. After a bit a testing I found I needed to remove two metal shims to remove the play. Will take it out for a drive to see how it feels later, when I have cleaned the rusty water deposits off the chassis and rack (the joys of having a swirl pot cap that did not fit very well - but now sorted).

glenrobbo

35,277 posts

150 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Just make sure that there is free movement over the full range of the steering.
You don't want it jamming up on a bend.

TurboTony

908 posts

171 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Silly question - are you removing free play or reducing the amount of feedback that you get on bumpy roads?

Smokey Boyer

509 posts

131 months

Saturday 24th August 2013
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Surely if you remove play in the steering you are going to get more feedback through the steering wheel.

When mine was loose, I would turn in, and there felt like a delay before the car pitched in to the corner more sharply than I expected. It also wandered a bit on bumpy country lanes even though I had the wheel held tight.

Although I do not know the full workings of the steering rack, from what I could tell having taken mine to bits this afternoon, removing the shims pushes the white plastic cup further in to the rack. The white cup, has a curved face inside the rack, which I assume pushes the rack down on to the pinion. Therefore by removing a shim, the rack is pushed further down on to pinion.

The shims are extremely thin, almost like paper, but removing just one makes a lot of difference.

I initially took two out, and although there was no play the steering felt a bit tight with the car jacked up.

Barry S1

Original Poster:

1,709 posts

189 months

Sunday 25th August 2013
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Did mine today very easy to do,have taken one shim out and made
a lot of difference to the car, nice to drive again now.

Barry







Smokey Boyer

509 posts

131 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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Spent a bit more time on adjusting the rack over the last few days.

I found that taking two of the original 4 metal shims out left the rack with a tight spot just left of middle. Taking one out left it with some play still.

I used one of the metal shims as a template, and armed with my wife's sharpest scalpel from her art and craft cupboard, cut some new shims from some tin foil.

After some trial and error, I now have two metal shim, and a few foil shims in between, all sandwiched between the original plastic shims. No play, and no tight spots.

Barry S1

Original Poster:

1,709 posts

189 months

Tuesday 27th August 2013
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I only had three metal shims no plastic ones in mine ?

Barry